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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:37 PM (#1)

Anyone playing with a LISP dialect?

Clojure, Haskell, Scheme, etc?

I love Node.js. It is so much friggin fun to play with, and I'm extremely fortunate that I get to use it for the majority of my workday. But I come from the land of C++ and Java, so I've been itching for an asynchronous-by-design language with some stricter constructs. I don't necessarily need strict typing, per se, but if member functions didn't all double as constructors, hey, that'd be nice.

So I've been looking at some other options, because, while languages like Ruby and Python are nice and have event loop frameworks and all of that, they clearly weren't designed for asynchronous processing. But some of the articles I've been reading lately about Erlang and the Lisp variants and such were piquing my interest.

I started reading this Erlang primer and almost cried, the syntax was just so damn bad. I was all "It's the language of CouchDB and Riak! It MUST be good!" Well, maybe it is, but frankly I'm not spending that much of my day wanting to stab a knife through my eye.

So my next endeavor was Clojure, due in part to the fact that I'm a backer of Light Table. Originally I backed it because it's getting Javascript, but the preview "playground" that's out has Clojure built-in. And it's a lot of fun and pretty revolutionary, as IDEs go:
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So I've started working my way through this Clojure primer and it's not too bad so far! The Lisp syntax is very very different, and granted, some of the "syntactic sugar" strikes me more as "syntactic capsaicin", but it's not so bad that I can't get used to it. And working with it in Light Table makes my mistakes instantly obvious.

I'm not anywhere near deep into it yet, but I thought it was worth asking if anyone here's ever played with any of these. I've heard good things about Haskell too, but with my Java background (Clojure compiles down into Java bytecode, so all the Java packages are available to you) and the fact that there's a ClojureScript compiler that will compile down to Javascript, this one seems like a good match for me. I'd love to hear your experiences, though!

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:55 PM (#2)

See, I was excited because I thought we were going to talk about speech impediments.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:05 PM (#3)

radioactive, on 09 July 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

See, I was excited because I thought we were going to talk about speech impediments.

Same here, Kyek you disappointed me with this.

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arronhunt, on 30 June 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Sir you are the first person to make me piss myself laughing. Kudos.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:14 PM (#4)

Thath mean, guys. I'm trying to have a theriuth converthation here. Clojure ith pretty thweet.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:16 PM (#5)

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:20 PM (#6)

Kyek, on 09 July 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

Thath mean, guys. I'm trying to have a theriuth converthation here. Clojure ith pretty thweet.

Ohh, iym Sorrahy, ill le-h you gef bach to dish.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:21 PM (#7)

It's something I've been meaning to play around with but haven't had time to.

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Daniel15 is ruining my life D:

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:25 PM (#8)

Daniel15, on 09 July 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

It's something I've been meaning to play around with but haven't had time to.

I was sort of in the same boat, but I fell into it when I looked at light table and started screwing with the syntax. If you have five minutes, you can install it from the command line and start playing around without the hassle of setting up an environment and all that jazz. It's just a toy at this point, but it's awesome for following along with primers or just figuring the code out on your own

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 11:14 PM (#9)

I use Haskell a bit. Primarly using Node.js as my functional language due to all the hype and thinking it might be the next rails.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:03 PM (#10)

Something I just learned, Light Table was a kickstarter project.

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arronhunt, on 30 June 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Sir you are the first person to make me piss myself laughing. Kudos.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:33 PM (#11)

Kyek, on 09 July 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

So my next endeavor was Clojure, due in part to the fact that I'm a backer of Light Table.

itom07, on 10 July 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

Something I just learned, Light Table was a kickstarter project.

Learned.. from me? xD

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:48 PM (#12)

Kyek, on 10 July 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

Learned.. from me? xD

Sorry to disappoint you kyek but I actually saw it on the successful projects page on kickstarter.

Oh and rails, I am glad you think node is the next rails but you should have changed your name to ThatNodeGuy and not TheEmpty...I may make that my name.

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arronhunt, on 30 June 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Sir you are the first person to make me piss myself laughing. Kudos.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:22 PM (#13)

itom07, on 10 July 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

But you're a designer not a developer

TheEmpty is my original internet handle. I just changed it to ThatRailsGuy for temp. reasons and had to wait awhile to change it back.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:29 PM (#14)

TheEmpty, on 10 July 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

But you're a designer not a developer

TheEmpty is my original internet handle. I just changed it to ThatRailsGuy for temp. reasons and had to wait awhile to change it back.

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arronhunt, on 30 June 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Sir you are the first person to make me piss myself laughing. Kudos.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:36 PM (#15)

Yeah I should do that once I figure out how to get my Node.js site to interact with a database.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:23 PM (#16)

Mongo?

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arronhunt, on 30 June 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Sir you are the first person to make me piss myself laughing. Kudos.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:06 PM (#17)

itom07, on 10 July 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Mongo?

I was hoping to use PostgreSQL but I'm either going to have to build my own Postgres model or checkout some of the Mongo libraries. I wanted to have multiple authors for my blog and for that to be relational, but I might just do it with Mongo even though that's not really what it's for. Also want to have clients and their data, which would be very Mongo-ie.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:12 PM (#18)

TheEmpty, on 10 July 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

What is your blog about

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arronhunt, on 30 June 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Sir you are the first person to make me piss myself laughing. Kudos.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 05:35 AM (#19)

Yo, wrong thread for that convo

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 07:01 AM (#20)

Having only experience in C and related languages, functional languages tend to freak me out. Also, I normally don't really "get" them when I try to ... How can I fix that?
Also, why should I even care about functional programming? (no trolling/flaming intended, just a very direct, honest question