[callumacrae]

I really really don't like the Yii framework :-D

Welcome!

[timp]

Great, I almost adore Yii Probably that is the reason for multiple Frameworks

[TheEmpty]

You're a front-end developer... that hates JavaScript? *almost hates JavaScript. I love JavaScript, allows me to throw a lot of shit into the bottom of a page and use JavaScript to query the users that should be in a drop down based on other options in a form. Also I've done a lot of sweet effects with it. What don't you like about JavaScript? Have you tried CoffeeScript?

[callumacrae]

ThatRailsGuy said:

CoffeeScript

One of these days, I will get round to my CoffeeScript rant... it's nearly as bad as haml!

[gibbonweb]

Herzlich willkommen!

[@Tom]

YEA rails, I defiantly argue coffeescript is amazing, simply because its soo clean. I understand that hardcore js guys like callum may hate it but I can write the same thing in 1/3 the lines and be able to edit it that much better.

[gibbonweb]

Could you, just for ONCE, resist the urge of making every welcome thread a ranting thread about some kind of technology that has been mentioned?
This thread is supposed to help the OP introduce himself and everybody else should be nice to him, ask questions regarding the OP or just close the effing thread.

[callumacrae]

Now you're ranting about ranting!

[TheEmpty]

Callum your post provided no value to the convo (the last one). Now I'm ranting about the (not so much) rant about ranting.

[gibbonweb]

timp, welcome to metaRefinery.

[timp]

ThatRailsGuy, on 14 June 2012 - 06:15 AM, said:

What don't you like about JavaScript? Have you tried CoffeeScript?

There was a time before I knew about jquery and stuff like that. I programmed a 2D level editor for a game in Javascript and I did not really know how to debug it and it was awful. PHP was so easy, just telling you what went wrong (okay, in 80% of all cases) and Javascript just doesnt do anything and you are just standing in the rain ;-) That was the time I got to knew to javascript and I learned to hate it.

Today I use jquery and yeah, it is very cool what you can do with it. And AJAX just makes my heart laugh . But back then there was the first stone layed for my antipathy .

I did not try CoffeeScript. Is it an alternative to JQuery?

[@Tom]

No it's a clean language, it's JavaScript without semicolons and parentheses ect. Then compiles into JavaScript for browser use.

[timp]

That sounds like heaven Can one use it with jquery? In that case I will definetly give it a try.

[callumacrae]

timp, on 15 June 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

I did not try CoffeeScript. Is it an alternative to JQuery?

CoffeeScript is evil. It's a different language, like JS but with a stupid syntax:

fadeOut = (element) ->
	$(element).animate opacity: 0

obj =
	str: "This is a str"
	obj:
		num: 0
		ary: ["#foo", ".bar", "#otah"]
	bool: true

override = false
friday = if new Date().getDay() is 5 then true else override

if obj.bool and friday
	fadeOut element for element in obj.obj.ary

Compiles to this (spoiler tags because it's so ugly):

Spoiler

var element, fadeOut, friday, obj, override, _i, _len, _ref;

fadeOut = function(element) {
  return $(element).animate({
    opacity: 0
  });
};

obj = {
  str: "This is a str",
  obj: {
    num: 0,
    ary: ["#foo", ".bar", "#otah"]
  },
  bool: true
};

override = false;

friday = new Date().getDay() === 5 ? true : override;

if (obj.bool && friday) {
  _ref = obj.obj.ary;
  for (_i = 0, _len = _ref.length; _i < _len; _i++) {
    element = _ref[_i];
    fadeOut(element);
  }
}

itom07, on 15 June 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

No it's a clean language, it's JavaScript without semicolons and parentheses ect. Then compiles into JavaScript for browser use.

How is that in any way cleaner? It's different, not cleaner.

[gibbonweb]

callumacrae, on 15 June 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

CoffeeScript is evil. It's a different language, like JS but with a stupid syntax:

fadeOut = (element) ->
	$(element).animate opacity: 0

obj =
	str: "This is a str"
	obj:
		num: 0
		ary: ["#foo", ".bar", "#otah"]
	bool: true

override = false
friday = if new Date().getDay() is 5 then true else override

if obj.bool and friday
	fadeOut element for element in obj.obj.ary

Compiles to this (spoiler tags because it's so ugly):

Spoiler

var element, fadeOut, friday, obj, override, _i, _len, _ref;

fadeOut = function(element) {
  return $(element).animate({
    opacity: 0
  });
};

obj = {
  str: "This is a str",
  obj: {
    num: 0,
    ary: ["#foo", ".bar", "#otah"]
  },
  bool: true
};

override = false;

friday = new Date().getDay() === 5 ? true : override;

if (obj.bool && friday) {
  _ref = obj.obj.ary;
  for (_i = 0, _len = _ref.length; _i < _len; _i++) {
    element = _ref[_i];
    fadeOut(element);
  }
}

How is that in any way cleaner? It's different, not cleaner.

Almost looks like Ruby got impregnated by AppleScript.

[@Tom]

It's very based off ruby, it's more of a personal preference. The only thing that screws up my js is when I put in wrong ;'s . Coffeescript fixes that. Also you can write coffeescript very closely to js if you want. Switches and class inheritance are wonderful with CS. You can also embed js if you want. String interpolation is sexy as well. Check it out

Coffeescript.org

[TheEmpty]

callumacrae, on 15 June 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

CoffeeScript is evil. It's a different language, like JS but with a stupid syntax:

fadeOut = (element) ->
	$(element).animate opacity: 0

obj =
	str: "This is a str"
	obj:
		num: 0
		ary: ["#foo", ".bar", "#otah"]
	bool: true

override = false
friday = if new Date().getDay() is 5 then true else override

if obj.bool and friday
	fadeOut element for element in obj.obj.ary

Compiles to this (spoiler tags because it's so ugly):

Spoiler

var element, fadeOut, friday, obj, override, _i, _len, _ref;

fadeOut = function(element) {
  return $(element).animate({
    opacity: 0
  });
};

obj = {
  str: "This is a str",
  obj: {
    num: 0,
    ary: ["#foo", ".bar", "#otah"]
  },
  bool: true
};

override = false;

friday = new Date().getDay() === 5 ? true : override;

if (obj.bool && friday) {
  _ref = obj.obj.ary;
  for (_i = 0, _len = _ref.length; _i < _len; _i++) {
    element = _ref[_i];
    fadeOut(element);
  }
}

How is that in any way cleaner? It's different, not cleaner.

It is when you use it correctly. I should start posting snippets of bad Python code and saying how shitty python is.

gibbonweb, on 15 June 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Almost looks like Ruby got impregnated by AppleScript.

Trying to start a flame war?

[@Tom]

Rails I'll give you props, I didn't want to say that callum had some non CS like code written .

[callumacrae]

ThatRailsGuy, on 15 June 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

It is when you use it correctly. I should start posting snippets of bad Python code and saying how shitty python is.

Most of them are off the Coffeescript website. Sorry!