[Daniel15]

The main issue is that Google is using Java syntax, but they are not using the Java VM itself. They have their own implementation called Dalvik. Instead of licensing Java, they copied the Java APIs and essentially made an "imitation" version of Java.

Imagine if you built a car that looks very similar to an existing make and model, and you gave it the same name as the existing one. Obviously the manufacturer of the original one isn't going to be too happy

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Do you have to have a license to use java?

Not if you're a regular user, probably if you want to make money off your own implementation of it.

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Is this like microsofts .net framework in that you need one (which I also don't use).

The .NET Framework and a lot of the core development tools actually comes bundled with Windows (and newer versions available as a free download). C# and bits of the .NET Framework are both open (ECMA) standards, whereas Java is not. Microsoft has stated that they have no problem with the Mono project (that lets you run .NET code on Linux or Mac OS), and in fact, Microsoft helped Novell with Moonlight (implementation of Silverlight for Mono).

There's also a legally binding promise from Microsoft to not sue anyone for creating their own .NET implementation. So if Google used C# and .NET instead of Java, there'd be no problems right now.

Related: http://blog.xamarin....oid-in-c-sharp/

[Ruku]

To be honest, I don't think there's any doubt here that Google directly copied the prototypes and the architecture of the Java language. The issue is whether the Java APIs are protected by intellectual property/copyright law, and to what extent derivative works are permitted.

I think there's a flaw with the case though: the "rights" to the Dalvik VM aren't held by Google, but rather AOSP. Are Oracle suing the wrong people...? IANAL, so I have no idea whether the argument that Google engineers originally wrote the code holds any weight in court.

The outcome of this case has the potential to be catastrophic, though. If Dalvik does violate Oracle's intellectual property, then the Wine project violates Microsoft's. Virtualisation tools may violate hardware manufacturers'. There are a heck of a lot of tools out there which might be affected by the fallout of the result.

[@Tom]

I still don't think you should copyright a language, even of its just syntax

[Sephern]

itom07, on 10 May 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

I still don't think you should copyright a language, even of its just syntax

The patents Oracle claim have been infringed are on the Java Virtual Machine. Google, on the other hand, claim that they developed Dalvik using Apache Harmony - a JDK emulator which doesn't use any Sun source code or patents (a 'clean room' implementation).

[SapporoGuy]

I forgot where I posted but back when Oracle bought Sun I mentioned that this was not going to be good. I was thinking about MySQL at the time more than Java.

The response was that this wasn't going to be an issue.

Hehe, it is though

I just don't get why google choose Java! Patches are far more than M$ and security is an issue cuz of dat!

Google was sleeping at the wheel when they let Sun go to another buyer!

[@Tom]

An update: google won woo for the victors

[SapporoGuy]

Google won???
I do believe that there are multiple parts to this.
At the moment: 1-1
But this round went to google so android is relatively safe.

Interesting now that google owns mobility and bought out a design team. I'm betting that Samsung is gonna invest more into their own system.

I really am interested in android but I just can't help thinking that android is going to keep splitting into factions and the over all benefit is gonna be an overall loose of user experience.

However, google did say that android will remain free for another 5 years... What ever that is supposed to mean.

[@Tom]

SapporoGuy, on 23 May 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

Google won???
I do believe that there are multiple parts to this.
At the moment: 1-1
But this round went to google so android is relatively safe.

Interesting now that google owns mobility and bought out a design team. I'm betting that Samsung is gonna invest more into their own system.

I really am interested in android but I just can't help thinking that android is going to keep splitting into factions and the over all benefit is gonna be an overall loose of user experience.

However, google did say that android will remain free for another 5 years... What ever that is supposed to mean.

http://online.wsj.co...0575228282.html

[SapporoGuy]

Ahh, they won the patent issue.
Not the copyright issue.
http://m.techcrunch....id=tc_home_art

[soulcyon]

Screw oracle and their lawyers xD

[Mack]

Sephern, on 10 May 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

The patents Oracle claim have been infringed are on the Java Virtual Machine. Google, on the other hand, claim that they developed Dalvik using Apache Harmony - a JDK emulator which doesn't use any Sun source code or patents (a 'clean room' implementation).

Yeah, but that doesn't really help Google at all. If you made and patented something, then, say, Person A copies it. But Person A's version is legal, as it's just different enough it doesn't violate your patent. Then Person B comes along, and copies Person A's idea. But their version, although based on Person A's and not yours, is exactly the same as your thing. That doesn't mean Person B didn't violate your patent just because they based something on Person A's legal idea.

[SapporoGuy]

Hey what about O.J.