[NeilHanlon]

I might convince my boss to buy me CSE. Not sure yet though.

[TheMaster]

I wish the subscription based thing was less expensive. When it was first announced I was expecting somrthing like maybe $15-$20 a month. When I realised it was, what, $60? $70, I was thinking WAAT!?!?

Not sure I'm gonna pay that much...but I'll find a way to try out all of Creative Suite 6's awesomeness

[Mack]

TheMaster, on 08 May 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

I wish the subscription based thing was less expensive. When it was first announced I was expecting somrthing like maybe $15-$20 a month. When I realised it was, what, $60? $70, I was thinking WAAT!?!?

Not sure I'm gonna pay that much...but I'll find a way to try out all of Creative Suite 6's awesomeness

I thought it was $99/month when it was first announced. Also, the edu price is only $29.99/month. But that's still out of my budget

[_Sam]

Is that subscription thing like leasing a car? So you pay all the time, but don't actually own it.

[TheMaster]

_Sam, on 09 May 2012 - 03:23 AM, said:

Is that subscription thing like leasing a car? So you pay all the time, but don't actually own it.

Yep! But think about it....if its on your computer...there has to be a way to...I dunno...yeah we won't go there

[arronhunt]

No, because in the end you never end up owning the product. You could pay the subscription price for the next 10 years but it wouldn't result in you owning anything.

To my knowledge anyways.

[cosmie]

Yea, you never end up owning the software.

However, whether to subscribe or buy depends on what package you buy, how long you plan to use it, and whether you qualify for academic pricing. When you subscribe instead of buy, you don't pay an upgrade fee. You can just choose to move onto the next version while maintaining the same monthly cost (and they'll keep two previous versions as options, starting with CS5.5). So if you're one to upgrade right when the new package comes out, you can subscribe for quite a few years before hitting the breakeven point where total monthly subscription cost will equal total original license cost + upgrade license costs.

[Mack]

arronhunt, on 09 May 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

No, because in the end you never end up owning the product. You could pay the subscription price for the next 10 years but it wouldn't result in you owning anything.

To my knowledge anyways.

But as cosmie said, the subscription pays off with upgrades. When you subscribe, it is always the latest. Whenever a new CS comes out, your subscription includes that. Since they're on a 12 month release cycle now with every other release a major one, it depends what you want whether it's worth it. If you go CS5 -> CS5.5 -> CS6, etc it would cost you $800/year. If you upgrade every other release, so CS5 -> CS6 -> CS7, etc it would average to $400/year. If you just subscribe, it costs $360/year.

Note: Adobe's site redirects me to the education prices, so that's what I'm looking at. I'm assuming both the subscription and suite costs are proportionally higher for the non-education site.

[Lemon]

Mack, on 09 May 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

But as cosmie said, the subscription pays off with upgrades. When you subscribe, it is always the latest. Whenever a new CS comes out, your subscription includes that. Since they're on a 12 month release cycle now with every other release a major one, it depends what you want whether it's worth it. If you go CS5 -> CS5.5 -> CS6, etc it would cost you $800/year. If you upgrade every other release, so CS5 -> CS6 -> CS7, etc it would average to $400/year. If you just subscribe, it costs $360/year.

Note: Adobe's site redirects me to the education prices, so that's what I'm looking at. I'm assuming both the subscription and suite costs are proportionally higher for the non-education site.

I can quite happily use a photoshop version for years though, as in all honesty most of the stuff they've added in recent years is essentially useless for any design related things I do. Therefore, I'd much rather have a license I can pay for once and use indefinitely than having to keep paying every month just to stay on the cutting edge. Of course, the situation may vary for people who do more than the occasional asset that makes up my photoshop usage.
Hence, I'm still using photoshop 7 and can't see any need to upgrade after using the CS6 beta...

[Mack]

Lemon, on 09 May 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

I can quite happily use a photoshop version for years though, as in all honesty most of the stuff they've added in recent years is essentially useless for any design related things I do. Therefore, I'd much rather have a license I can pay for once and use indefinitely than having to keep paying every month just to stay on the cutting edge. Of course, the situation may vary for people who do more than the occasional asset that makes up my photoshop usage.
Hence, I'm still using photoshop 7 and can't see any need to upgrade after using the CS6 beta...

Well that's why they offer both methods of purchase. I personally use Photoshop every day, but that's about it. I use some of the other apps, but definitely not enough to warrant paying for Master Collection. I'll probably end up buying at least every other version, if not more often, but at only $120 for Photoshop CS6 Extended (again, education price) it's not worth subscribing just for that.

[@Tom]

I gotta say, I do not like how on photoshop It is black behind what your working on, I preferred seeing behind my picture in case I was referencing something.

[Cyril]

itom07, on 12 May 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

I gotta say, I do not like how on photoshop It is black behind what your working on, I preferred seeing behind my picture in case I was referencing something.

F key. You can switch between window mode (what you're talking about), full screen and that weird intermediary. It can be useful for editing things that are overflowing the canvas, though.

[@Tom]

Cyril, on 12 May 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

F key. You can switch between window mode (what you're talking about), full screen and that weird intermediary. It can be useful for editing things that are overflowing the canvas, though.

No I mean the black directly around my white square,

I used to have nothing around it and I could see behind but now the gray area is there.

[Cyril]

itom07, on 12 May 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

No I mean the black directly around my white square,

I used to have nothing around it and I could see behind but now the gray area is there.

Yeah, and that's exactly what I'm saying.
Disable photoshop being an app (basically make photoshop a bunch of panels, instead of a window). You can then switch between the "window" mode, which will be a single window, the size of your canvas, with the tool panels around it, or the full screen mode, which is what you don't want.

I know it's possible: I use all 3 modes (mostly the window mode, though). It'll also give more space on the screen, as you won't have the close buttons.

Not on my Mac right now, but I think it's in the Window menu...

Edit: yeah, here's how I have it set up:


And canvases / documents are simply normal Mac windows, in there...

[arronhunt]

Cyril is right, every recent version of Photoshop has allowed you to use Application Frame mode or not. Though I absolutely HATE using PS when it isn't in Application Frame mode because every time I click out of photoshop my panels disappear. It's extremely distracting. I also hate zooming too because it resizes the window not just the canvas.

[Cyril]

Yeah, it's the contrary for me. I hate the application frame. Having the canvas as a single window enables me to focus more on it, move it around, etc, and have my whole screen to work with...

Oh well, everyone has their own preferences...

[@Tom]

Cyril, on 12 May 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Yeah, it's the contrary for me. I hate the application frame. Having the canvas as a single window enables me to focus more on it, move it around, etc, and have my whole screen to work with...

Oh well, everyone has their own preferences...

Got it, thanks arron for showing where it is at. And I agree with you Cyril, I do not at all enjoy having application frame on.

[arronhunt]

@Cyril Don't you get distracted by other windows behind the canvas? I need the canvas to be my main focal point in order to concentrate.

[Mack]

arronhunt, on 12 May 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

@Cyril Don't you get distracted by other windows behind the canvas? I need the canvas to be my main focal point in order to concentrate.

Behind Photoshop for me is almost always Lightroom with the photo I'm editing open. So it's nice to be able to see the original in the background.

But I use it for photo editing not designing, so maybe that's why I prefer it off. Oh well, as long as they always make that an option, everyone's happy!