[callumacrae]

I've spent a lot of time on IRC reasoning with trolls about this, and the two main reasons are the cost and "APPLE ARE THE DEVIL HURR DURR".

In fact, they're the *only* two valid reasons. The other reasons were about them not having right click (?!), them not having games (I don't see how that is Apples fault, and it isn't even that true anymore), or them crashing all the time (?!).

Yeah but mostly, people are envious.

[Quinn]

callumacrae, on 10 April 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

The other reasons were about them not having right click (?!)

This is because most schools that use macs have the old (at least my school does) one click mouse. You have to Control + Click to access the "alternate click". The macbooks that my school has also has a physical button, so no two finger clicking. School is where most people use macs, unless they have one at home and thus is where they "learn" everything about macs.

Price is the only valid reason that I can see. Though I do like pointing out that OS X averages about $30 where Windows averages about $250.

callumacrae, on 10 April 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

them not having games (I don't see how that is Apples fault, and it isn't even that true anymore)

The only games I switch over to Bootcamp for are ME1/2 and Dues Ex: HR. Every other game that I play has a OS X version.

callumacrae, on 10 April 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

or them crashing all the time (?!).

I've never had a mac crash on me. When the macbooks at my school die or otherwise fail (note: these are easily 5-6 years old and handled by idiots) people complain that macs in general suck because these shitty macbooks failed (yes, they really are shitty).

[callumacrae]

I've had my mac crash on me once, and that was because an application was leaking memory everywhere and it wouldn't come out of the screensaver. I knew about it beforehand, but I forgot to close the application…

[Hyde]

I am pretty sure it's because they are envious. It's expensive, so not anyone can afford it. It's like those who hate people with luxurious cars because they are jealous. If they were cheaper, they'd be more popular and nobody would complain.

[TheEmpty]

Hyde, on 10 April 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

I am pretty sure it's because they are envious. It's expensive, so not anyone can afford it. It's like those who hate people with luxurious cars because they are jealous. If they were cheaper, they'd be more popular and nobody would complain.

My thoughts exactly. I hated macs too, but then I could afford one and bought one.

[iCyan]

There can be many valid reasons, to each his own. Cost is the most obvious one. Then there is software, depending on what software the user needs, they might pick one over the other since not all software is available on both systems. Next, user preference, I constantly use Macs and PC's and two finger right click and no tap for click is.. noticeable. Ease of use, older people are just more used to Windows systems, and their kids most likely will be too. Just to name a few...

[callumacrae]

iCyan, on 10 April 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

two finger right click and no tap for click

You are aware that you can change them? For "right click" (secondary click), I right click, and I tap to click.

System Preferences -> Mouse / Trackpad :-D

[TheEmpty]

I don't think cost is really an issue. Macbooks last longer then a Windows laptop, in general, due to higher quality parts. If you divide cost by time, I believe the mac would be cheaper . My mother has her Macbook from four years ago still, in that time I went through three laptops (HP, Compaq, and Dell).

Though my Macbook air has a lot of flaws and I would return it for a pro if I could. (My keys press against my screen when the lid is closed causing damage).

[@Tom]

Hyde, on 10 April 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

I am pretty sure it's because they are envious. It's expensive, so not anyone can afford it. It's like those who hate people with luxurious cars because they are jealous. If they were cheaper, they'd be more popular and nobody would complain.

I second your thoughts.

[callumacrae]

It'd be nice to have some Cocoa / Smarag input here :-D

[Cocoa]

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callumacrae, on 10 April 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

It'd be nice to have some Cocoa / Smarag input here :-D

Just had to give me time, Callum

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Okay, let's begin the list.

• The reason is a moral reason. I cannot speak for everyone but personally I think we should boycott Apple and their products. This is because Apple seems to think that everyone who has a device similar to theirs must be copying them. I think a court case is still going on between Apple and Samsung because they seem to think Samsung's phone designs look way to similar. Did you know that Apple have put a patent down on everything from the 'Home' button all the way to the Camera on the back and their logo in the middle of the phone (not the Apple logo itself).
  
  
• Remove the cheap plastic off your iMac and the BIOS system is the only thing that is different. Everything else you can or is part of a standard PC. Nothing is different or more advanced about it, it's the same core components nestled under a white casing that's cheaply made anyway.
  
  
• Honestly, I ask this question all the time and no one has an answer for it. What can you do on a Mac/Book that you cannot on a PC? Other than programs you can buy for it because they are third party programs, with an extra additional cost to them, so they are a variable. I ask this all the time and no one can provide an answer, whether you can't be bothered or you simply can't. If I don't get an answer, then it's clear that PCs and Macs are the same thing when it comes down to using such a system.
  
  
• The price. This is obviously going to be an issue. They are overpriced pieces of crap. The price doesn't reflect the quality of the machine. The reason they are so expensive is because hardly anyone buys them so they have to try and make a return on them otherwise the product would have to pulled off shelves. It's the stupid people with lots of money that ends up buying one. Feel free to say that if you can't afford one, then you're poor but at the end of the day I can go and buy a PC right now for half the price, maybe more for the same specs, if not better.

I've heard people say that graphic designers get Macs, I honestly don't know why and would like to know. The only thing that makes a differences is the creativity and skills by a particular person, the machine is just the middle man. Apple commit day light robbery each time someone comes along and buys an Apple product (mainly a Mac/Book) because like I've said, take the shiny plastic case off and all you get is a PC. There is nothing different about them, there isn't anything you can do on a Mac that you can't on a PC.

I have an iPod Touch 4th generation that I got about two years ago I think, I also have an iPod Nano (not sure what Gen.) that I got even earlier. Other than those two items, I refuse to buy another Apple product. They slap a massive price tag on something that's only worth half the price, they sue other companies for making a touch screen phone with a single button.

That is why I hate Apple, that is why I hate their products.

Go.

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Remember this? I went with the Vaio and never looked back <3 <3 <3

[SapporoGuy]

Money: peoples' priorities are different

Software: mac hardware can run more actually when you factor in vmware or partallels

Deisgn and feel: sorry vaio you still suck

Speed: draw

Mobo: I'm not intetested in soeeding more than i jave already funking with drivers!

Macs do work out of the bix, noote stress since GF switched to an air (slightly airhead too )

Crashes: lol if safari doesn't do if me, chrome will, if not, I'll ctash at leadt 3 times this year. But I also have close to a 100 tabs open and I probably only restart once wvery 2 months.

Mac saves time: I don't waste time installing the os, nor have I lost data because of a crash, nor do I worry about waiting fir the os to install a driver for a mouse.

Wintel: wins the printer and device category. It also takes the gokd for blurme tooth but I can live without the echo.

Windows wins the proprietary software category. But i have vmware

Appke is a walled garden! Ha! Must being something right when most chicks have an iphone after a month with android or winphone! Yep, I do see a lot of that!

Their are sheep in both camps so it's hard to say anything about that. Years ago, mac buyers made their own decisions. These days, yeah, lot's of hipsters...

People need to hate on the choice they wish the had chosen. Buyers regret is very powerful! Especially when they realize a couple hundred more and they would have made that money back in time wasted!

Asking why macs suck is pointless. It's the way of information spread on the net and lack of sales rep training.

Android fan bois are just as bad ... I can root my phone and do hell'a more than you can! "So? Didnyour mother too?" ... Not

Less than 1% of windows population speak and people listen because very few can tune and make windows sailing like silk through sunset stained waters ... The rest of world oohs and ahhhs when their local can burn DVDs like 10 at a time while they think that ie is the internet and gmail is a new form of email. But, ohh yes they listen to the dvd burner, anti-freeze, ninja fan man down the street cuz he knows his stuff! While my mom, uses email and ie

So, the next time some one hated on your choice, blurt out bluntly, "Buyers regret?l or "Don't worry about it, we all make mistakes!"

Dude, lay a bit above on the next person and you'll get respect and no more hassles cuz you know your stuff and have given windows a fair shake.

Saw win7 blow blue screen on 3 machines today too bad, I was hoping win7 would be killer maybe 8 ??!!

[callumacrae]

Cocoa, on 10 April 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

The reason is a moral reason. I cannot speak for everyone but personally I think we should boycott Apple and their products. This is because Apple seems to think that everyone who has a device similar to theirs must be copying them. I think a court case is still going on between Apple and Samsung because they seem to think Samsung's phone designs look way to similar. Did you know that Apple have put a patent down on everything from the 'Home' button all the way to the Camera on the back and their logo in the middle of the phone (not the Apple logo itself).

I'm not going to grace that with a response, because nearly all of it is wrong >_<

Cocoa, on 10 April 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

Remove the cheap plastic off your iMac and the BIOS system is the only thing that is different. Everything else you can or is part of a standard PC. Nothing is different or more advanced about it, it's the same core components nestled under a white casing that's cheaply made anyway.

Cheap plastic? lol

To buy that parts of my iMac would cost me about $700. It cost me $900. $200 for parts and labour isn't that bad? They use it for making their products better.

Cocoa, on 10 April 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

Honestly, I ask this question all the time and no one has an answer for it. What can you do on a Mac/Book that you cannot on a PC? Other than programs you can buy for it because they are third party programs, with an extra additional cost to them, so they are a variable. I ask this all the time and no one can provide an answer, whether you can't be bothered or you simply can't. If I don't get an answer, then it's clear that PCs and Macs are the same thing when it comes down to using such a system.

Seriously? You would judge a computer by its number of features? Maybe MS do that too, which is Windows is so damn slow…

Me and my dad have about the same spec computers. He is continually complaining about speed. Mine has crashed twice, ever.

Cocoa, on 10 April 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

The price. This is obviously going to be an issue. They are overpriced pieces of crap. The price doesn't reflect the quality of the machine. The reason they are so expensive is because hardly anyone buys them so they have to try and make a return on them otherwise the product would have to pulled off shelves. It's the stupid people with lots of money that ends up buying one. Feel free to say that if you can't afford one, then you're poor but at the end of the day I can go and buy a PC right now for half the price, maybe more for the same specs, if not better.

How does the price reflect the quality of a product?

Cocoa, on 10 April 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

I've heard people say that graphic designers get Macs, I honestly don't know why and would like to know. The only thing that makes a differences is the creativity and skills by a particular person, the machine is just the middle man. Apple commit day light robbery each time someone comes along and buys an Apple product (mainly a Mac/Book) because like I've said, take the shiny plastic case off and all you get is a PC. There is nothing different about them, there isn't anything you can do on a Mac that you can't on a PC.

Again, wrong. The cases aren't even plastic, these days.

Cocoa, on 10 April 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

I have an iPod Touch 4th generation that I got about two years ago I think, I also have an iPod Nano (not sure what Gen.) that I got even earlier.

[ … ]

That is why I hate Apple, that is why I hate their products.

lol

[SapporoGuy]

Lol, patents!
You must be young son!

Microsoft crushed or bought the competition to gain market share!

Gates father, a lawyer, hood winked IBM to make sure their crappy qDOS would get in.

Take about BS tactics!

Did microsoft ever tell anybody that they used Apple code to stabalize networking and printing?

Did microsoft ever fess up why "fuck" is probably the most repeated word in their code?

So, apple is crap because they play the patent game like everybody else??!?

One thing I have always trspected Gates for: his business skill and his love of giving away money. But that is now not before!

[Cocoa]

@SapporoGuy

Anyone who thinks IE is the internet and GMail is email, should not be anywhere near technology. Everyone has to start off somewhere but that is unforgivable.

Oh and that buyers regret thing, I don't get that because I took an informed decision and bought a PC that is actually decent. Also the loading times argument people are using for Macs, that means nothing other than your impatient and clearly haven't been to England (we queue, and we queue proudly).

[@Tom]

You guys are all forgetting to close your posts with </longasspost>

Cocoa hardware to hardware most macs and pcs are close in price if you build them the same, what you don't get is the os, apps, community and enjoyment. The only "cheap" pcs are shit $=quality

Edit:cocoa you can't do apple app store development for ios on a pc

[Cocoa]

SapporoGuy, on 10 April 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

One thing I have always trspected Gates for: his business skill and his love of giving away money. But that is now not before!

Exactly, Gates is focused on helping charities, Apple wants money and a fan base that buys the same shit on a regular basis. Apple comes out with a new product each year. Me and my friends have a theory that seems to be basically true now that when Apple started, they made a huge list of features for their products and over time keep adding one or two new things to the products to keep them 'fresh'. iPhone 5 soon people! How long has iPhone 4S been out?

@callumacrae

Two iPods, that are quite old. Those were bought long before my hatred for Apple began, so don't flatter yourself thinking you've got me, you really haven't

Slow speed and crashing.

What does your Dad do? Does he have ever program ever rolled out on PC? You really have to have a crap laptop/computer with a shit load of programs for it to slow down.

Also I've noticed no one has mentioned the internal components of a Mac? You managed to get to the casing but you stopped. The core components are nothing unique or 'Apple engineered', they are the standard components you will find in a PC. No argument for that, so it means I must be right. Although when am I not

The price clearly doesn't reflect the quality, if it did, you wouldn't have to remortgage a house to buy a Mac.

@SapporoGuy again

It's the fact that Apple are suing Samsung for a product that is not even the same! It's a phone, it has a button positioned in the center at the bottom. The differences is MS may have done all that patenting before hand but they tactically beat their competition and that is what business is. IBM is still a strong company, they clearly shrugged it off and moved on. Whereas Apple seem to be crying that a competitor made it out on the market and is getting all their potential customers because it's cheaper, and does the same thing! It's a phone. You can ring people, you can text people.

[@Tom]

What I don't get a @ huh cocoa, them fighting words

[dida]

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Honestly, I ask this question all the time and no one has an answer for it. What can you do on a Mac/Book that you cannot on a PC? Other than programs you can buy for it because they are third party programs, with an extra additional cost to them, so they are a variable. I ask this all the time and no one can provide an answer, whether you can't be bothered or you simply can't. If I don't get an answer, then it's clear that PCs and Macs are the same thing when it comes down to using such a system.

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