[ThatRailsGuy]

So you're saying you need a library for payment processing? My grammar nazi is not letting me understand you. He just keeps whispering in my ear.

[SapporoGuy]

I'm looking for modules that can plug and play so that I can slap this all together in least amount of work.

Which means modules that would recommended to fulfill a decent sized stack for an application.

I thought I'd get some advice in addition to my own googling :-)

[Daniel15]

Kohana is a framework for you to write your own applications. It's not really designed to be used as a plug and play module system. It sounds like you want a prebuilt CMS like Drupal or MODX.

[SapporoGuy]

Never played with Drupal, however some things I do like. Especially since its no longer a geek log/php nuke type of script.

Modx and me ... I predate it's etomite disturbance days, even before the original zen cart logo days ... Well let's just say modx and me started at oscommerce :-)

Thanks for comment about how kohana being a DIY kit. It's a shame because I think kohana could knock Drupal off the map!

Hmm I was hoping to find a few packages that could be clobbered together ... :-(

Rant: why don't devs start working on Drupal / WP like mix and match system :-(

[ThatRailsGuy]

I hate Drupal/WP, etc. somehow they have so much overhead for such a simple thing!

[dida]

ThatRailsGuy, on 06 February 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:

I hate Drupal/WP, etc. somehow they have so much overhead for such a simple thing!

This very much.

[SapporoGuy]

True as a developer!
But, then why are they so popular!

The way I see it is that Drupal allows you to throw together a site relatively quickly, a ton of functionality at the cost of a useable programmer.

WP, they understand why iDevices are popular and do well at targeting that crowd.

However, I still think that you could have the best of both worlds! Something that googdroid doesn't get ... Yet ... I hope they do some day!

Steve Jobs got it! And was smart enough to lock it down to maximize profits for a future war chest!

This is something I've been thinking and refactoring since the days when zencart started its split and the reason I walked. Too many devs want to stay in their hermit shells and produce crazy ass shit that blows your freakin mind only to fall to the side due to real life, a paying job or lack of marketing and acknowledgement ... A tragic waste in my opinion!

This is tangent material but still shows how kohana (or similar modern project) could have hit a home run!

[xsi]

Hi.. If you want to build a site fast, and since it sounds like you don't want to build every little module or component yourself, my 2 cent suggestion would be to have a little look into the Joomla CMS as well.

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So what I was hoping for was a recommendation of modules that would build out into a basic full site:
Admin
Cms
Blog
Forums
Cart
User authentication/authorization

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I'm looking for modules that can plug and play so that I can slap this all together in least amount of work.

Using Joomla you could build a site with all this in one day. Of course you'd still have to tweak things, like the template and spend time to add whatever content you want it there, but the base site wouldn't take very long to setup.

As a CMS Joomla's maybe slightly bloated, depending on what you compare it to.. There's over 8000 extensions to choose from, and even though the majority are badly coded, extremely insecure and borderline junk, there are some great extensions available. Still the core of Joomla is nowhere near as insecure as something like wordpress.

[Daniel15]

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I hate Drupal/WP, etc. somehow they have so much overhead for such a simple thing!

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But, then why are they so popular!

That's because they're designed to be "general use" and cover a lot of different scenarios. If you try to make a multi-purpose, highly-configurable system that'll be used by millions of people, it's going to be big and complex. However sometimes systems like this are helpful for rapidly creating sites.

The other option is to code it all yourself using a framework like Kohana. You lose all the pre-built-ness but you end up with a small, well-focused system that only does what you need. Takes a lot longer though.

The thing with systems like Drupal, Joomla and WordPress is that they've been around for years, and have had years of bug fixes and experience poured into them. Almost every possible edge case and minor bug is covered. You're not ever going to get that with a self-made system that took you just a few weeks to build.

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Still the core of Joomla is nowhere near as insecure as something like wordpress.

What? I'd say WordPress is significantly more secure.

[SapporoGuy]

Never did catch on to mambo the PostNuke killer. If I can't slap something together with kohana, it'll be modx since modx owner is net/phone friend :-)

Thanks for the suggestion of joomla and what not.

[xsi]

Daniel15, on 06 February 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

What? I'd say WordPress is significantly more secure.

That's cool, but personally I don't trust wp very much.. Consider all the wp themes that ship with insecure phpthumb / timthumb scripts, sites using those are just waiting to be backdoored.

[SapporoGuy]

Well, WP or joomla due to the windows effect. Crack one version and you'll hit pay dirt for literally 6 digit number of sites!

But to be fair, both are so massive that you have to admit that apple had the foresight that very few have: try to control what is being installed -- walled garden.

You either build the unbreakable shield or the unbreakable spear. Apple, builds a strong fortress and a formidable offence.

Anyway, I just can't get into most architectures because their either php3 through backs to monolithic design or have barely embarrassed mvc.

I want a modern architecture like kohana but yet user and developer friendly. Hence the beginning of this thread, my willingness to slap together something that won't be polished but yet that I can go back into and make it shine!